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That's what I was getting at, Philip - but I used one "whom" too many. Nickel restated it better. The context (the way you've explained it) makes sense - but not the way I worded it. Query 9 - Where do the commas go? Later that afternoon he tried approaching the shops once more in the hope of...

I'm waiting for a 250MB file to download - so I'm killing some time. I notice the dr has killed my gun, in the meantime. ;)

only to go silent again - forever - ταιριάζει ίσως καλλίτερα από τις άλλες εκδοχές που προτάθηκαν ( με το Ελληνικό πρωτότυπο) - αλλά μου ακούγεται σαν να έχει την δυνατότητα ( το πιστόλι το ίδιο) να σιωπήσει από μόνο του. Even my earlier version --- The time draws near when his gun will be...

Thanks for your input, cougr. Silentious avoids the silent/mute (i.e., gun with silencer) preconceptions (as you point out), and it remains true to the Greek metaphor, but it's a tad too "out there". Another way I could interpret this (if I allowed myself some latitude) is - The time draws...

Thanks, nickel My last example didn't make sense to me either (I don't know what I was thinking). In the case of the ship or the baby, once they've been introduced as the Titanic or Maria in a story line, they're usually then referred to in general terms. I just wanted to establish whether...

Καλημέρα. One more query (sorry). Query 7 If a baby ( let''s say Maria) or a ship (let's say the QE2) has been identified (as Maria or the QE2) in an earlier sentence or passage, what happens when we refer to the baby or the ship again in general terms (as the ship or the baby) - do we...

Κατέληξα προσωρινά στο .... The time draws near when his gun will be heard for the first time before it becomes silent forever. Αφού θα ακουστεί για πρώτη φορά δεν χρειάζεται να το αποκαλέσουμε "silent gun" αρκεί το "gun" σκέτο, έτσι δεν είναι; (Edit - I'm not sure whether to choose "first...

Συγνώμη για την αργοπορία μου. (είχα κουραστεί χθες και δεν άντεχα). Ο ιδιοκτήτης του πιστολιού θα το χρησιμοποιούσε σύντομα σε μια εκδίκηση-δολοφονία που είχε εδώ και καιρό σχεδιάσει. Επειδή δεν ήταν επαγγελματίας δολοφόνος, θα "λαλούσε" το πιστόλι του μόνο μία φορά. You've given me enough...

Thank you, nickel. You've explained it very well - I see my mistake now. I'll get the hang of it soon (thanks for your patience).

Σωστά υπέθεσες, Irini. I like your suggestion, perhaps with a small change/tweak? -- The time draws near when his silent gun will be heard for the first time before it falls silent forever. (or .. before it's silenced forever?) I'll think about it tomorrow, and I welcome all other...

Καλημέρα. Έχω την εξής πρόταση να μεταφράσω και χρειάζομαι λίγη βοήθεια - υπάρχουν κάποια μεταφορικά στοιχεία που περιπλέκουν τα πράγματα. Πλησιάζει η ώρα του άλαλου πιστολιού του να ακουστεί για πρώτη φορά και μετά να σιωπήσει για πάντα. Θα επιστρέψω αύριο. Ευχαριστώ, Χρήστος.

Thank you, nickel. 5) understood. 6) I realise this query was similar to 4), but I wanted to see the flip side. In this example, Joe Blow is definitely identified - which I thought meant that we need to use the commas here, as "who happened to escape from a ship ..." becomes additional...

I was going to continue next week, but I've got this query; sorry. Query 5 But very few of them looked back as they were too shocked to grieve over their lost homes. (as ="because") He looked back towards his mother as he drove off. (as = "while"/"whilst") I can see the need for a comma...

correction - I should have written "are required to identify" where I've written"identify" above.

Very interesting, nickel. So "which" plays no essential role here and without it we have 2 reduced restrictive (or defining) relative clauses (underlined below), that identify which measurements and which fabric material we're referring to and so the comma must be left out. Restrictive relative...

Thanks, nickel. Are you saying there's no commas whatsoever, if we leave out "which"? I would have thought the following would also be possible - She then took all the measurements, she had written in her notebook, and the fabric material, Valeria had supplied, back to her workshop and...

Thank you, nickel. Much appreciated! 1) Συμφωνώ με την προσωπική σου προτίμηση. I'm all for minimalism (is there a smaller synonym for "minimalism"?). 2) και 3) Ωραία τα εξήγησες. Here's one with the kitchen sink thrown in for good measure - the last one for the week, I promise. Query 4...

Thank you, daeman. You've covered all bases with your answer. #2 seems to fit the bill as far as nudging the reader along, and it's the one I'll end up using. Here's an interesting Oscar Wilde quote which you may have come across: (no comma before which, right?) “I was working on the proof of...

Thanks, Daeman! So the rule with commas is - there isn't one (just joking). Are all your versions acceptable and which one would you choose? I'll come back to this thread later. Thank you for your help.

Good morning from cold, sunny Melbourne. I hope I'm doing the right thing here; I just thought it would be best to keep all my queries, on commas, in the one thread (I don't want to rework the sentences I'll be querying - I just want to use them as working examples, even if they're flawed)...