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    The Apostrophe Protection Society

    The decision by a Council in Devon to drop apostrophes from street names, “to avoid potential confusion”, has caused ridicule. Beck’s Square and Blundell’s Avenue in Tiverton risk becoming merely Becks and Blundells. More scorn greeted the news that Mid Devon had voted to abolish the little signifier after holding a “risk assessment”. The ruling has given rise to parodies on the lines of “Ive recently completed a risk assessment and its been decided not to use apostrophes on the grounds that theyre confusing”.

    The best thing about stories of this kind is that they bring to attention the existence of bodies such as the Apostrophe Protection Society, based in Boston, Lincs, the sort of institution we think of as uniquely English. Meanwhile, we have some sympathy for the Mid Devon councilors. The TLS offices were until recently in Gray’s Inn Road. Or Grays Inn Road? One editor travels from Shepherd’s Bush -- or Shephers; another from Earls (Earl’s?) Court. Would anything be lost by doing away with these pesky apostrophes? On the other hand, we cannot forget the commuter on Piccadilly Line who was asked by a fellow passenger in a crowded carriage, “Is this Cockfosters?”. Eager to avoid confusion -- it certainly wasn’t his -- he disembarked.


    TLS, March 22, 2013
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    Δεν είναι ενδιαφέρον ότι, τόσο εδώ, όσο και στην Εσπερία, όλα αυτά τα άρθρα που ασχολούνται με αλλαγές στην ορθογραφία καταφεύγουν και σε ένα ή περισσότερα παραδείγματα από τον προφορικό λόγο;
    Wer die Wahrheit nicht weiß, der ist bloß ein Dummkopf. Aber wer sie weiß, und sie eine Lüge nennt, der ist ein Verbrecher!
    We base decisions on facts, not superstition, not what our ideology tells us but rather what we can observe

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    Με εξαίρεση το ανέκδοτο της τελευταίας πρότασης, τα άλλα παραδείγματα δεν είναι από τον προφορικό λόγο.

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    Εμ, όταν το είδα δεν το πόσταρα, και μετά το ξέχασα. Από τον Κουίνιον πριν δυο βδομάδες:
    • A spokesman for the British government’s Department for Communities and Local Government issued a statement last Saturday: “Ministers’ view is that England’s apostrophes should be cherished.” Note the careful placement of these endangered little marks. The statement was provoked by reports that a Devon council is about to formally decide not to include apostrophes on road signs.
    ...
    • βρέθηκα εκεί, που λένε λίγο περισσότερα για το θέμα, με αποστροφή οι περισσότεροι, βρετανική:
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    Outrage at local authority plans to abolish apostrophe
    Mid Devon District Council's vote on whether to remove apostrophes from street signs 'to avoid confusion' is widely condemned
    The sometimes vexing question of where and when to add an apostrophe appears to have been solved in one corner of Devon: the local authority is planning to do away with them altogether.
    Later this month members of Mid Devon district council's cabinet will discuss formally banning the pesky little punctuation marks from its (no apostrophe needed) street signs, apparently to avoid "confusion".

    The news of the Tory-controlled council's (apostrophe required) decision provoked howls of condemnation on Friday from champions of plain English, fans of grammar, and politicians. Even the government felt the need to join the campaign to save the apostrophe.

    The Plain English Campaign led the criticism. "It's nonsense," said Steve Jenner, spokesperson and radio presenter. "Where's it going to stop. Are we going to declare war on commas, outlaw full stops?"
    Jenner was puzzled over why the council appeared to think it a good idea not to have punctuation on signs. "If it's to try to make things clearer, it's not going to work. The whole purpose of punctuation is to make language easier to understand. Is it because someone at the council doesn't understand how it works?"
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    Sian Harris, lecturer in English literature at Exeter University, said the proposals were likely to lead to greater confusion. She said: "Usually the best way to teach about punctuation is to show practical examples of it – removing [apostrophes] from everyday life would be a terrible shame and make that understanding increasingly difficult. English is a complicated language as it is — removing apostrophes is not going to help with that at all."
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    To be fair to modest Mid Devon, it is not the only authority to pick on the apostrophe. Birmingham did the same three years ago (the Mail went with the headline The city where apostrophes arent welcome).
    The book retailer Waterstones caused a bit of a stir last year when it ditched the mark.

    The council's communications manager, Andrew Lacey, attempted to dampen down the controversy. Lacey said: "Our proposed policy on street naming and numbering covers a whole host of practical issues, many of which are aimed at reducing potential confusion over street names.
    "No final decision has yet been made and the proposed policy will be discussed at cabinet," he said.
    Council leader Peter Hare-Scott (with a hyphen), was not amused by the attention his authority was receiving.

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    • αλλά το γέλιο (και μερικές αποστροφές) πέφτει στα σχόλια από κάτω, απ' όπου αντιγράφω μερικά, σύντομα και to the point apostrophe:
    - Whats so confusing?
    - Exactly. What sort of idiot cant use apostrophe's properly?
    - Its all maddnes's!
    - Ask your sisters sons teachers.
    - "For God's sake?" I see you're monotheist!
    - Eat's Shoot's and Leave's.

    - It is after all, just one drop of paint. There is tremendous scope here for affected locals to engage in a little guerilla painting. Not that I'd ever encourage anyone to vandalise street signs, you understand.
    - Can they read in Mid Devon?
    - Is Mid in Devon?

    - First they came for the apostrophe...
    - Αs
    David Marsh pointed out on another website:

    my sister's friend's books.
    my sister's friends' books.
    my sisters' friend's books.
    my sisters' friends' books.



    • κακείθεν ορμώμενος έφτασα σ' εκείνη τη σελίδα όπου παρατίθεται το αποπάνω παράδειγμα από το style guide του Γκάρντιαν, διαβάζοντας έμαθα ότι υπάρχει και International Apostrophe Day (της Αγίας Αποστρόφου, μεγάλη η χάρη της, στις 18 Αυγούστου) - εκτός από τη National Punctuation Day στις ΗΠες (του Αγίου Κόμματου, μεγάλη η χάρη του, Αγίου Κόμματος, 24 Σεπτεμβρίου) -


    και βρήκα το Apostrophe Catastrophes - The Worlds' Worst. Punctuation; και μετά εκείνο το πόστερ για τη χρήση της αποστρόφου στην αγγλική.

    N'joy.
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    Θεωρητικά, θεωρία και πράξη είναι το ίδιο πράγμα. Στην πράξη, όμως, διαφέρουν.
    When this you see, remember me and bear me in your mind, let all the world say what they may, speak of me as you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daeman View Post
    - First they came for the apostrophe...
    Πολύ πράμα! Αλλά πρέπει να ξεχωρίσω το παραπάνω εύστοχο νιμελερικό. Βικιπαιδικά νήματα:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
    http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%...B8%CE%B1%CE%BD...

    Ας μην πω για τα ράμματα που έχω για τις αγγλοσαξονικές γούνες σε σχέση με τα ενωτικά. Το νιμελερικό που θα τους έβαζα θα έλεγε:

    First they came for the hyphen,
    and he didn't speak out because he didn't use hyphens.

    Then they came for the apostrophes,
    and he didn't speak out because he didn't have much use for apostrophes.
    Μένω ΕυρώπηΣύγκρουση ιδεών, όχι βία και μισαλλοδοξία: δεν οδηγούν πουθενά. (Λ. Κύρκος)Αριστεία, ρε!
    ΕΝΑ ΝΗΜΑ ΤΗΝ ΗΜΕΡΑ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΙΑ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΠΕΡΑ. Staying hungry, staying foolish. Το διαδίκτυο βλάπτει όταν δεν σκέφτεσαι.

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    Το θέμα με τις αποστρόφους δεν έκλεισε εδώ (με το σημείωμα # 1).

    Από τη στήλη του TLS με τα γράμματα των αναγνωστών στον εκδότη:

    Apostrophed

    Sir,

    I sympathize with the apostrophe question described by J.C. (TLS March 22). I was happy for many years with the English-language version of my surname, but in recent times I have struggled maddeningly with websites which reject it as illegitimate because of its apostrophe (some of these were even Irish government websites, which ought to have known better). Strangely, though, I find that, now I have reverted to the Irish-language version, life is little easier.

    MARK Ó SÚILEABHÁIN
    58 Greenway Lane, Bath


    TLS April 5, 2013

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    Να τον δω αυτόν όταν θα προσπαθεί να πείσει γραφειοκράτες ότι ο Μαρκ Ο'Σάλιβαν κι ο Μαρκ Ο Σουλειμάν* είναι το ίδιο πρόσωπο.

    *Για όσους αργούν λίγο να καταλάβουν, ξέρω ότι το Ó Súilleabháin δεν προφέρεται Σουλειμάν

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    Frank Zappa. Apostrophe'

    Άλλο πληροφορία, άλλο γνώση· άλλο βία, άλλο δύναμη.

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    Πάντως, το δημοτικό συμβούλιο του Κέμπριτζ πήρε πίσω την απόφασή του για την κατάργηση των αποστρόφων από τις πινακίδες όταν ο κόσμος άρχισε να κυκλοφορεί με μαρκαδόρους και να διορθώνει.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...phes-cambridge
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...on-apostrophes
    Μένω ΕυρώπηΣύγκρουση ιδεών, όχι βία και μισαλλοδοξία: δεν οδηγούν πουθενά. (Λ. Κύρκος)Αριστεία, ρε!
    ΕΝΑ ΝΗΜΑ ΤΗΝ ΗΜΕΡΑ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΙΑ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΠΕΡΑ. Staying hungry, staying foolish. Το διαδίκτυο βλάπτει όταν δεν σκέφτεσαι.

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