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united we stand, divided we fall

Alexandra

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H Wiki λέει ότι η φράση αποδίδεται αρχικά στον Αίσωπο. Πώς αποδίδεται λοιπόν στα ελληνικά;

Εδώ υπάρχουν όλοι οι μύθοι του Αισώπου.
 

daeman

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Λαός ενωμένος, ποτέ νικημένος· λαός διχασμένος, κατασπαραγμένος. > Ενωμένοι στέκουμε, διχασμένοι πέφτουμε.

Βόες τρείς και λέων
Ἐνέμοντο μετ' ἀλλήλων τρεῖς ἀεὶ βόες. Λέων δὲ τούτους φαγεῖν θέλων διὰ τὴν αὐτῶν ὁμόνοιαν οὐκ ἠδύνατο· ὑπούλοις δὲ λόγοις διαβαλὼν ἐχώρισεν ἀπ' ἀλλήλων, καὶ τότε ἕνα ἕκαστον αὐτῶν μεμονωμένους εὑρὼν κατεθοινήσατο.

Ὅτι, εἰ θέλεις μάλιστα ζῆν ἀκινδύνως, τοῖς μὲν ἐχθροῖς ἀπίστει, τοῖς δὲ φίλοις πίστευε καὶ συντήρει.


Προσαρμοσμένος εκεί, π.χ. (σελ. 11).

The Lion and the Three Bulls
(Translated by George Fyler Townsend, 1887)
Three Bulls for a long time pastured together. A Lion lay in ambush in the hope of making them his prey, but was afraid to attack them while they kept together. Having at last by guileful speeches succeeded in separating them, he attacked them without fear as they fed alone, and feasted on them one by one at his own leisure.

Union is strength.


ενώ σε άλλη μετάφραση είναι πληθωριστικό, έκαναν τα τρία τέσσερα:

The Four Oxen and the Lion
A Lion used to prowl about a field in which Four Oxen used to dwell. Many a time he tried to attack them; but whenever he came near they turned their tails to one another, so that whichever way he approached them he was met by the horns of one of them. At last, however, they fell a-quarrelling among themselves, and each went off to pasture alone in a separate corner of the field. Then the Lion attacked them one by one and soon made an end of all four.

United we stand, divided we fall.



The Liberty Song

Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all,
By uniting we ftand, by dividing we fall;

In fo righteous a caufe let us hope to fucceed,
for heaven approves of each generous deed.


united we stand.jpg

The song is notable as one of the earliest patriotic songs in the thirteen colonies. Warren's fourth verse is the first appearance of the phrase, "united we stand, divided we fall," a patriotic slogan that has prominently appeared several times throughout American history.
http://chronicles.dickinson.edu/encyclo/l/ed_libertysong.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXaJS44x5w



Brotherhood of Man

 

MelidonisM

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+ Γεωργοῦ παῖδες ἐστασίαζον. Ὁ δὲ, ὡς πολλὰ παραινῶν οὐκ ἠδύνατο πεῖσαι αὐτοὺς λόγοις μεταβάλλεσθαι, ἔγνω δεῖν διὰ πράγματος τοῦτο πρᾶξαι, καὶ παρῄνεσεν αὐτοῖς ῥάβδων δέσμην κομίσαι. Τῶν δὲ τὸ προσταχθὲν ποιησάντων, τὸ μὲν πρῶτον δοὺς αὐτοῖς ἀθρόας τὰς ῥάβδους ἐκέλευσε κατεάσσειν. Ἐπειδὴ δὲ κατὰ πᾶν βιαζόμενοι οὐκ ἠδύναντο, ἐκ δευτέρου λύσας τὴν δέσμην, ἀνὰ μίαν αὐτοῖς ῥάβδον ἐδίδου. Τῶν δὲ ῥᾳδίως κατακλώντων, ἔφη· "Ἀτὰρ οὖν καὶ ὑμεῖς, ὦ παῖδες, ἐὰν μὲν ὁμοφρονῆτε, ἀχείρωτοι τοῖς ἐχθροῖς ἔσεσθε· ἐὰν δὲ στασιάζητε, εὐάλωτοι".
Ὁ λόγος δηλοῖ ὅτι τοσοῦτον ἰσχυροτέρα ἐστὶν ἡ ὁμόνοια ὅσον εὐκαταγώνιστος ἡ στάσις.


A father had a family of sons who were perpetually quarreling among themselves. When he failed to heal their disputes by his exhortations, he determined to give them a practical illustration of the evils of disunion; and for this purpose he one day told them to bring him a bundle of sticks. When they had done so, he placed the faggot into the hands of each of them in succession, and ordered them to break it in pieces. They tried with all their strength, and were not able to do it. He next opened the faggot, took the sticks separately, one by one, and again put them into his sons' hands, upon which they broke them easily. He then addressed them in these words: "My sons, if you are of one mind, and unite to assist each other, you will be as this faggot, uninjured by all the attempts of your enemies; but if you are divided among yourselves, you will be broken as easily as these sticks."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Father_and_His_Sons
 
The guard on the hole in the fence looked puzzled. He was aware of excitement back in the base, and his radio seemed to be picking up nothing but static, and his eyes were being drawn again and again to the card in front of him.
He'd seen many identity cards in his time‑military, CIA, FBI, KGB even‑and, being a young soldier, had yet to grasp that the more insignificant an organization is, the more impressive are its identity cards.
This one was hellishly impressive. His lips moved as he read it again, all the way from "The Lord Protector of the Common Wealth of Britain charges and demands," through the bit about commandeering all kindling, rope, and igniferous oils, right down to the signature of the WA's first Lord Adjutant, Praise‑him‑all‑Ye‑works‑of‑the‑Lord‑and‑Flye‑Forni­cation Smith. Newt kept his thumb over the bit about Nine Pence Per Witch and tried to look like James Bond.
Finally the guard's probing intellect found a word he thought he recognized.
"What's this here," he said suspiciously, "about us got to give you faggots?"
"Oh, we have to have them," said Newt. "We burn them."
"Say what?"
"We burn them."
The guard's face broadened into a grin. And they'd told him En­gland was soft. "Right on!" he said.


Good Omens - T. Prachett and Neil Gaiman
 

daeman

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Εαρίωνα, μου πήρες την μπουκιά απ' το στόμα :). Από προχτές τα 'χω έτοιμα και περιμένω να καταλαγιάσει το νήμα, άλλες εκτελέσεις όμως:

Introduction to People, The People United Will Never Be Defeated (El Pueblo Unido Jamás Será Vencido)
The Ballad of the Fallen - Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra with Carla Bley



El Pueblo Unido - Thievery Corporation


Για τη μακρινή εποχή που λες, o Θεοδωράκης διευθύνει τους Quilapayun, στιχουργούς του τραγουδιού.
 
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