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monkey vs. ape

Alexandra

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Πώς θα διακρίνουμε στη μετάφραση αυτά τα δύο;
Monkeys and apes are similar, but they are two different types of animals.

Δεδομένου ότι λίγο παρακάτω έχουμε και την εξής συγκεκριμενοποίηση:
This is a rare type of ape called an orangutan.
 

Alexandra

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Στο λεξικό τα ονομάζει και τα δύο πιθήκους. Εμένα μ' ενδιαφέρει η επιστημονικά σωστή ορολογία, επειδή είναι ντοκιμαντέρ.
 

Alexandra

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Καμία αντίρρηση. Να το πει κάποιος και στη Magenta, όμως, επειδή λέει "πίθηκος, κοινώς μαϊμού". Άρα ένα και το αυτό, και το μαϊμού είναι στην καθομιλουμένη, όχι επιστημονικός όρος.
 

daeman

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A monkey is a primate of the Haplorrhini suborder and simian infraorder, either an Old World monkey or a New World monkey, but excluding apes and humans. There are about 260 known living species of monkey. Many are arboreal, although there are species that live primarily on the ground, such as baboons. Monkeys are generally considered to be intelligent. Unlike apes, monkeys usually have tails. Tailless monkeys may be called "apes", incorrectly according to modern usage; thus the tailless Barbary macaque is called the "Barbary ape".
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Historical and modern terminology
According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the word "monkey" may originate in a German version of the Reynard the Fox fable, published circa 1580. In this version of the fable, a character named Moneke is the son of Martin the Ape. In English, no very clear distinction was originally made between "ape" and "monkey"; thus the 1910 Encyclopædia Britannica entry for "ape" notes that it is either a synonym for "monkey" or is used to mean a tailless humanlike primate. Such ambiguities persist. Colloquially, the terms "monkeys" and "apes" may still be used interchangeably. Also, a few monkey species have the word "ape" in their common name, such as the Barbary ape.

Later in the first half of the 20th century, the idea developed that there were trends in primate evolution and that the living members of the order could be arranged in a series, leading through "monkeys" and "apes" to humans. Monkeys thus constituted a "grade" on the path to humans and were distinguished from "apes".

Scientific classifications are now more often based on monophyletic groups, that is groups consisting of all the descendants of a common ancestor. The New World monkeys and the Old World monkeys are each monophyletic groups, but their combination is not, since it excludes hominoids (apes and humans). Thus the term "monkey" no longer refers to a recognized scientific taxon. The smallest accepted taxon which contains all the monkeys is the infraorder Simiiformes, or simians. However this also contains the hominoids (apes and humans), so that monkeys are, in terms of currently recognized taxa, non-hominoid simians.





The Librarian is known for his violent reaction whenever he hears anyone refer to him as a "monkey" (orangutans are apes). :angry:
 

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nickel

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Επίσης ... καλό είναι να διατηρείται η διαφορά monkey = μαϊμού (έχει ουρά), ape = πίθηκος (δεν έχει ουρά).

Ήθελα κάποτε να το κάνω νήμα.
 

daeman

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Είναι κι ο κερκοπίθηκος καπαρωμένος... αλλιώς άκερκος (ή άνουρος) πίθηκος o ape, αλλά πώς ο monkey; Ένουρος; Κερκοφόρος; (Κόλουρο, κουτσονούρικο, κολοβό, κουτσουμπό ζήτημα.)
 
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