ευθύνη : αγγλική απόδοση;

Earion

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Καθημερινή: — Ποια φράση ή στίχος αποδίδει για εσάς πληρέστερα το πνεύμα της εποχής; [της εποχής της ταινίας "Υπάρχω" για τον Καζαντζίδη]

Γιώργος Τσεμπερόπουλος [σκηνοθέτης της ταινίας] «Η ζωή μου όλη είναι μια ευθύνη / Όλα μου τα παίρνει τίποτα δεν δίνει. Με αυτή τη σειρα παίρνουμε τις πληροφορίες από το τραγούδι. Ξέρετε, πρέπει να το μεταφράσουμε γιατί η ταινία θα πάει στο εξωτερικό. Έχουμε σκαλώσει τρεις εβδομάδες στη λέξη «ευθύνη». Όλοι οι νέοι μεταφραστές αποδίδουν την ευθύνη burden. Το βάρος. Και λέω —κατέφυγα στην ΑΙ για να τους το εξηγήσω— δεν μπορεί να είναι burden. Γιατί στον άνθρωπο εκείνης της εποχής όταν ανέθετε μια ευθύνη «πέταγε». Άρχιζε να υπάρχει. Πώς θα προκόψεις αν δεν αναλάβεις την ευθύνη; Αν το δει κανείς ως βάρος, εξαφανίζεται το περιεχόμενο. Ευθύνη σήμαινε προαγωγή.

Καθημερινή, Κυριακή 26 Ιανουαρίου 2025, σ. 41.
 

cougr

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Μόλις έριξα και μια ματιά στους στίχους. Νομίζω θα αρκούσε το "responsibility" έτσι σκέτο -" ...is a responsibility".
 

Earion

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Staff member
Εγώ προκρίνω τη λέξη duty. Νομίζω πως έχει το νοηματικό βάθος που εννοεί ο σκηνοθέτης (ευθύνη σημαίνει προαγωγή, σημαίνει προοπτική προκοπής).
 

Earion

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Staff member
My entire life
is an undertaking
nothing does it give me
it just keeps on taking

Earion said:
Compose a song in English using the above lyrics and following the style of Stelios Kazantzidis

ChatGPT said: Here’s a song inspired by Stelios Kazantzidis' heartfelt, emotive style—blending themes of longing, sorrow, and resilience. The lyrics are in English, yet maintain the poetic depth and melancholic beauty characteristic of his music.

"Winds of My Soul"

(In the style of Stelios Kazantzidis)

Verse 1

The night is heavy, the streets are still,
My heart is aching, against its will.
The stars above me refuse to shine,
Your love was my lantern, now I’m blind.

Chorus

Oh, winds of my soul, carry my pain,
Through mountains and seas, through fire and rain.
Tell her my heart, still beats the same,
Though shadows surround me, I whisper her name.

Verse 2

The bouzouki cries, a mournful tune,
It echoes the longing beneath the moon.
I walk these alleys where we once danced,
But the past is a dream, a fleeting chance.

Chorus

Oh, winds of my soul, carry my pain,
Through mountains and seas, through fire and rain.
Tell her my heart, still beats the same,
Though shadows surround me, I whisper her name.

Bridge

Life’s a bitter wine, that I drink alone,
The taste of her lips is all I’ve known.
But the bottle is empty, and so am I,
A ship with no anchor, lost in the sky.

Chorus

Oh, winds of my soul, carry my pain,
Through mountains and seas, through fire and rain.
Tell her my heart, still beats the same,
Though shadows surround me, I whisper her name.

Outro

So if you see her, tell her this,
Her absence is darkness, her touch is bliss.
And though I wander, broken and torn,
Her love’s the only place I was ever born.

This would be paired with a traditional bouzouki-driven melody, a slow tempo, and expressive vocal delivery full of pathos and raw emotion.

Earion said:

No, I meant give me the full sound, vocals and music after the style of Kazantzidis, using the following lyrics:

My entire life
is an undertaking
nothing does it give me
it just keeps on taking

ChatGPT said:

Unfortunately, I can't produce or play full music, but I can write out a detailed composition plan for vocals, instrumentation, and melody inspired by the style of Stelios Kazantzidis. Here’s how the song could sound if performed:

Song Title: "My Entire Life"

(Inspired by Stelios Kazantzidis)

Vocals

Tone
: Deep, emotional, and resonant with a melancholic edge, like Kazantzidis.

Delivery: Start softly and build intensity, as if narrating a deeply personal pain. Each word should carry weight.

Melisma: Add subtle vocal flourishes on key emotional words like "life," "taking," and "undertaking."

Instrumentation

Bouzouki
Lead instrument, setting the melody with a mournful, slow intro.​

Use arpeggios to evoke sadness, transitioning into a more rhythmic strumming pattern in the verses.​
Baglama (optional)​
A smaller, higher-pitched instrument to complement the bouzouki. Play soft, rhythmic harmonies.​
Acoustic Guitar
Provide a steady rhythmic base in the background, emphasizing minor chords.​
Bass
A simple, understated bassline that follows the chord progression, giving depth to the arrangement.​
Violin
Play long, sustained notes during the chorus to amplify the sense of longing.​

Percussion
Light darbuka or daouli drumbeat, slow and steady, almost like a heartbeat.​

Melody and Arrangement

Intro
Bouzouki solo: A slow, mournful melody in a minor key (e.g., E minor or A minor).​
Soft tremolo picking builds anticipation for the first verse.​


Verse 1

"My entire life
is an undertaking
nothing does it give me
it just keeps on taking"

Melody: A descending scale, reflecting the weight of sorrow.

Vocal delivery: Soft and resigned, as though speaking directly to the listener.

Chorus

Bouzouki and violin play in harmony. The rhythm intensifies slightly.

Vocals rise in emotional intensity, expressing frustration and pain.

Instrumental Bridge

Bouzouki takes center stage, playing an improvised solo. The violin echoes with counter-melodies.

Verse 2

Repeat the verse, but with more dynamic instrumentation and heightened vocal expression.

Outro

The instruments fade out slowly, with the bouzouki playing a final, mournful phrase, leaving the listener with a sense of unresolved longing.

If you want, I can recommend software or tools for producing this sound or collaborate with someone who can help you bring this idea to life! Let me know.

Earion said:

Yes, please, recommend the suitable software

ChatGPT said:

To produce a song in the style of Stelios Kazantzidis with authentic instrumentation and vocals, you'll need a mix of digital audio workstations (DAWs), virtual instruments, and recording tools. Here's a guide to the best software and tools for the job:

Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs)
A DAW is the core software for music production, where you'll record, edit, and mix your song.

Logic Pro X (Mac) Excellent for recording and mixing. Comes with high-quality virtual instruments and plugins.
User-friendly and widely used by professionals.

Ableton Live (Mac/Windows)
Great for creativity and experimenting with arrangements.
Offers excellent MIDI and audio handling for virtual instruments.

FL Studio (Mac/Windows)
Beginner-friendly and affordable.
Packed with powerful tools for composition and arrangement.

Pro Tools (Mac/Windows)
Industry standard for professional-grade audio recording and mixing.
Great for precise vocal production and live instrument recordings.

Virtual Instruments and Plugins
These emulate traditional Greek instruments like the bouzouki, violin, and baglama.

Kontakt (Native Instruments)
Use libraries like Ethno World 6 or Balkan Ethnic Orchestra to get realistic Greek instrument sounds.
Great for string and wind instrument emulation.

UVI Gypsy Jazzy
Features a collection of ethnic instruments, including stringed ones that can resemble bouzouki tones.

Ample Guitar or Ample Bass
High-quality acoustic guitar and bass emulation for realistic backing tracks.

Virtual Bouzouki by VSTBuzz
Specifically designed for authentic bouzouki sounds.
A must-have for capturing the essence of Kazantzidis' style.

Percussion and Drums
EZDrummer 3 (Toontrack)
Includes percussion sounds like darbuka and frame drums that are perfect for Greek-style rhythms.
Easy to use and customizable.

Ethno Percussion by SONiVOX
Includes Middle Eastern and Balkan percussion instruments.

Recording Vocals
For capturing soulful, emotional vocals, use these tools:

Microphones

Shure SM7B: Known for warm, rich vocal recordings.

Audio-Technica AT2020: Affordable but professional-grade condenser mic.

Audio Interface

Focusrite Scarlett 2i2: Perfect for recording vocals and instruments.

Universal Audio Apollo Twin: High-quality preamps for professional sound.

Plugins for Vocal Processing

Waves CLA Vocals: Enhance the richness and clarity of the vocal tone.

Antares Auto-Tune Access: Add subtle pitch correction for a polished sound.

Final Mix and Mastering Tools

iZotope Ozone
Industry-leading software for mastering your track to professional standards.

FabFilter Pro Bundle
Includes EQ, compressors, and reverb for detailed sound shaping and mixing.

Additional Tips

If you're not experienced with music production, consider using BandLab (free and beginner-friendly) to experiment with arrangements.

You can also hire session musicians on platforms like Fiverr or SoundBetter to play traditional Greek instruments if you want the real thing.

Let me know if you'd like help setting up or getting started!
 

m_a_a_

Well-known member
Τώρα κάηκα… 🙃

Βασικά, να επισημάνω (κι ας με πάρετε με τις πέτρες), ότι από Καζαντζίδη δεν μπορώ ν' ακούσω τίποτα!
Παρόλα αυτά, πηγαίνω κι εγώ σε ταβέρνες όπως όλος ο κόσμος, και παίρνω ενίοτε και ταξί. Κι έχω και κάποιες αχρωμάτιστες αναμνήσεις από ράδιο ή και κασέτα, στο αυτοκίνητο του πατέρα μου, δεκαετία 90 (ψιλοολόκληρη)…

Για το σετάπ που σου προτείνει, εντωμεταξύ, θα μπορούσα να μιλάω, ή να γράφω έστω, για ώρες, γιατί τυχαίνει να 'μαι κρυφοαρρωστάκι με τα του ήχου, αλλά ας μην ανοίξουμε τους ασκούς εκείνου του Αιόλου – έχει άλλα φόρουμ, που μια που τους ανοίξαν, και μια που άκρη δε βγάλανε ποτέ…

Πάντως, διαβάζω αυτό:
Recording Vocals
For capturing soulful, emotional vocals, use these tools:

Microphones

Shure SM7B: Known for warm, rich vocal recordings.

Audio-Technica AT2020: Affordable but professional-grade condenser mic.
…και αναρωτιέμαι: Ξέρει άραγε κανείς εδώ με τι μικρόφωνα ηχογραφούσε ο Καζαντζίδης;

«Ας μάθουμε», λέω από μέσα μου, και με το που γκουγκλάρω το ερώτημα, πέφτω πάνω σ' αυτό:

[…] στη φράση «Μάνα σε ξεκληρίσανε», ο Καζαντζίδης τραγουδώντας, έκαψε το πυκνωτικό μικρόφωνο, που εκείνη την εποχή κόστιζε, περίπου, 1.500.000 δραχμές. Το μικρόφωνο έβγαλε καπνούς και ο Καζαντζίδης σοκαρίστηκε, φοβούμενος μην χρειαστεί να το πληρώσει. Αργά το απόγευμα, στη συνέχεια της ηχογράφησης, εκτός από το προστατευτικό που υπάρχει μπροστά στο μικρόφωνο, έβαλαν και μια άσπρη χάρτινη σελίδα, για να κόβει τις αρμονικές και να μην ξαναγίνει το ίδιο.

Και χαμογελάω.
:-)




Σ' ένα παράλληλο σύμπαν, εντωμεταξύ, το λαϊκό άσμα του Άκη Πάνου, υποπίπτει στην αντίληψη του Τζόνι Κας, κατά τη διάρκεια περιοδείας του στη Βρετανία. Ο Κας, που έχει βρεθεί κάπως απρόθυμα σε μπαρ του Λονδίνου, συγκρατημένα συνεπαρμένος από τη γοητεία του Σέιν ΜακΓκάουαν, που κάποιος κοινός γνωστός (ένας τρομπονίστας, καταπώς λέγεται) τους έφερε σε επαφή, ζητάει από Έλληνα μπάρμπαν –με τον οποίο έχει πιάσει ψιλή κουβεντούλα, έτσι, για να περνάει η ώρα, πιο πολύ– να του πει με δικά του λόγια (in your own words, my friend) τι λένε οι στίχοι… Μία εβδομάδα αργότερα, έχοντας επιστρέψει στο Τενεσί, ηχογραφεί δοκιμαστικά το εξής:

My entire life… a battle to be fought…

Everything gets taken… and I'm granted nought…
 

pontios

Well-known member
Why not ... my entire life is a "challenge"?
(And here I was thinking I was going to take a month's break from the internet - I've been gradually tapering off for a few years, now - but as far as challenges go, it's a "monumental challenge")
 

m_a_a_

Well-known member
Το 'κανα ρουμπαγιάτ (1ος, 2ος, 4ος ομοιοκαταληκτούν· 3ος ελεύθερος). Για BR κοινό:

My entire life… is an undertaking…
Nothing does it give me… It just keeps on taking…
My entire life… is a broiling furnace…
that I've fallen into… 'n' I'm slowly baking…

My entire life… is a foolish deed…
Yet the only asset… that is mine indeed…
My entire life… is a sacrifice…
There is neither pupose… nor meaning there to read…

My entire life… is a lifelong gasper… :eek:
I don't even like it… I'm smoking pure disaster… [couldn't resist]
And when it's almost over… I'll save the final drag…
to treat my last encounter: the scythe-wielding master… [hell, yeah]
 
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