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    stands accused of murdering and attempting to sexually assault his mother

    Μ' αυτή τη σειρά;
    Ζωή σου είναι ό,τι έδωσες
    τούτο το κενό είναι ό,τι έδωσες
    το άσπρο χαρτί.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernardina View Post
    stands accused of murdering and attempting to sexually assault his mother

    Μ' αυτή τη σειρά;
    Ενώ η αντίστροφη σειρά θα ήταν φυσιολογικότερη;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zazula View Post
    Ενώ η αντίστροφή σειρά θα ήταν φυσιολογικότερη;
    Όχι, βέβαια. Απλώς θα ήταν στατιστικά πιο συνήθης.
    Ζωή σου είναι ό,τι έδωσες
    τούτο το κενό είναι ό,τι έδωσες
    το άσπρο χαρτί.

    Γ.Σ.

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    Από την άλλη βέβαια σκέφτομαι μήπως παραείμαστε αυστηροί με τους γονείς που παίρνουν όπλα στα παιδιά τους. Άμα μεγαλώνεις σε οικογένεια κτηνοτρόφων π.χ. που κάθε Πάσχα σφάζουν δεκάδες αρνιά (το ξέρω ότι δεν τα πυροβολούν) ή οικογένεια κυνηγετική, που κάθε Σαββατοκύριακό την εποχή του κυνηγιού τρέχουν στα βουνά για μπεκάτσες, σε ποιά ηλικία είσαι αρκετά μεγάλος ώστε να μάθεις τα εργαλεία της δουλειάς; Γιατί είναι περίεργο να θεωρούν οι γονείς ότι είναι χρήσιμη γνώση η σκοποβολή, όπως είναι π.χ. το πλέξιμο; Αυτοί που κάνουν σκοποβολή τους Ολυμπιακούς κι έιναι 20 χρονών, σε τι ηλικία αρχίσανε;

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    Αφού ξεκαθάρισες ότι άλλο κτηνοτρόφος και άλλο κυνηγός από χόμπι, πάμε παρακάτω: Για μένα, το κυνήγι από χόμπι είναι αποκρουστική συνήθεια. Οι άνθρωποι που σκοτώνουν από χόμπι ζώα, και κατά συνέπεια διδάσκουν στα παιδιά τους αυτό το χόμπι, ανήκουν για μένα σε μια αποκρουστική κατηγορία ανθρώπων. Αλλά και πάλι, στη συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση δεν μιλάμε για ατύχημα που έγινε επειδή υπήρχε στο σπίτι ένα κυνηγετικό όπλο. Μιλάμε για "εγκληματική" (με όλων των ειδών τα εισαγωγικά, λόγω της ηλικίας του παιδιού) ενέργεια, με ένα όπλο που δεν βρέθηκε τυχαία στα χέρια του, αλλά είχε αγοραστεί για να το χρησιμοποιεί το συγκεκριμένο παιδί. Ε, πώς να το κάνουμε, δεν βρίσκω ελαφρυντικά για τους γονείς.
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    Another “Accidental” Shooting. Another Child Dead. Another State Claims, Wrongly, That No One Is at Fault.

    In May, a 10-year-old Virginia girl named Margaret “Maggie” Hollifield was accidentally shot and killed at her home by an unnamed boy. While details of the incident were initially scarce, an official reporton the shooting is in, and it’s heartbreaking. As it turns out, Hollifield was shot by her 13-year-old brother, who had been fixing his shotgun in the family’s living room when it suddenly discharged. Though the boy had forgotten to remove a shell that was in the chamber, the report notes that he was normally very cautious with his gun—he had received it as a present from a relative after completing a hunters’ safety class—and concludes that there was no reason to bring charges against anyone involved, as it was obviously just a “tragic accident.”

    Given my frequentharpingonthis subject, it will not surprise you to learn that I disagree with this conclusion. I don’t doubt that the brother was conscientious about gun safety. According to the report, he had even “corrected the father on handling the weapon on occasion.” But what that tells me is that the boy may have cared more about gun safety than his father did. And that’s the problem.

    In Virginia you can’t drive until you’re 16, plus three months. You can’t drink until you’re 21. But for some reason you can own a basic shotgun at any age. That blows my mind. Anyone who has ever had or been a child knows that no matter how well-intentioned or cautious they may be, children are impulsive and scatterbrained. And so are some adults, sure, but the difference is that adults are supposed to know better. Kids aren’t. Kids are irresponsible because their brains and bodies haven’t fully developed yet. They lack the judgment, experience, and perspective that comes with age.

    According to the Hollifield report, the boy’s father “stated that he trusted his son with the firearm and that his son was knowledgeable about maintenance and care of the firearm.” But no matter how responsible and knowledgeable your kids might seem, they’re still kids. They’re going to make mistakes and forget things because that’s what kids do. If you’re going to let your kid have a gun, then you can’t assume that they won’t do anything stupid with it. You have to assume that they will do something stupid with it, and you have to do everything in your power to make sure they don’t. That means caring more about gun safety than your kid does, not less.

    Some readers have emailed me questioning why I’m fixating on accidental child shooting deaths, given how relatively rare they are. And they’re right. The absolute number of children who are killed in accidental shootings is low. But these incidents could almost all have been prevented if the parents or guardians in these cases had been more attentive. The primary purpose of a gun is to shoot small holes in things, and if a boy shoots a small hole in his sister because he forgot there was a shell in his shotgun’s chamber, it is the fault of the parents. They were the ones who allowed him not only to have the gun, but to attempt to fix it, alone and unsupervised, in the freaking living room. An adult who gives a kid a gun needs to bear responsibility for what the kid does with it. Prosecuting the parents of the children in these incidents sends a clear message that society expects those parents to take care of their guns, and their children.
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    Ουφ, νόμισα στην αρχή ότι θα έλεγε ότι πρέπει ο μικρός να πάει μέσα ισόβια (υπάρχουν στις ΗΠΑ ισοβίτες σ'αυτή την ηλικία, δυστυχώς).

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    Θεωρητικά, θεωρία και πράξη είναι το ίδιο πράγμα. Στην πράξη, όμως, διαφέρουν.
    When this you see, remember me and bear me in your mind, let all the world say what they may, speak of me as you find.

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    SAN ANTONIO — Angela L. Pena brought her family to the Alamo on Saturday. She also brought her black assault rifle, a .223-caliber LWRC M4, and had it strapped across her back. Her daughter brought her M&P rifle; her son-in-law carried his .308-caliber Remington R-25; and her 8-year-old grandson, Sebastian Gonzalez, had his Ruger 10/22 rifle.

    For tourists, it was a startling sight: men, women and children openly carrying loaded and unloaded shotguns, hunting rifles, AR-15s and AK-47s as if they were purses or backpacks. A young man in jeans ate a breakfast sandwich with his assault rifle resting behind his back. A rally speaker with his own assault rifle confronted and quizzed police officials about their views of the Second Amendment, and the officials calmly looked on.

    Fathers and sons, husbands and wives, teenagers and retirees all had their guns out, as visitors to San Antonio came and went from the Alamo. Police officers monitored and filmed the rally from a building across the street.

    Demonstrators were exercising a little-known privilege of Texas gun culture; Texas law allows people to walk down the street with an assault rifle, shotgun or other type of long gun. A state-issued license is required to carry a concealed handgun.

    Gun advocates in Texas have started using their right to carry rifles publicly as part of a push to expand handgun laws. They want Texas to join several states that have allowed people licensed to carry concealed firearms to wear their weapons on their hips, unconcealed, if they wish.

    Rally organizers and participants said they wanted to remind San Antonio that the carrying of rifles was not only legal but normal, and that the carrying of unconcealed weapons in public was no cause for alarm. But at the request of organizers, most at the rally stuck plastic straws or strips into the chambers of their rifles to show that though there might be bullets in the clip, there were none in the chamber.

    Ms. Pena and her family, including Sebastian, had straws sticking out of their weapons.

    Scott Gibbons had a pen in the chamber of his AR-15 rifle, which was strapped across his back as he stood next to his wife, Mandy. “Our children have been shooting guns since they were 8 and 9, and they’re now 28 and 29,” Ms. Gibbons said. “We want our grandchildren to also have that right.”
    Τας λεωφόρους οδούς φεύγων επί τας ατραπούς βάδιζε, αψευδεῖ δε προς άκμονι χάλκευε γλῶσσαν.
    Εμπληξία γαρ η άλογος φιλανθρωπία.
    Souffle sur tes braises pour rester vivant.

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    Top New York Post columnist Fredric Dicker calls Newtown shooting 'little convenient massacre'; Sandy Hook families demand apology

    Dicker, who made the comment Monday on his WGDJ talk show, said that Gov. Cuomo was able to push anti-gun legislation after 'he had a little convenient massacre that went on in Newtown, Conn.' Families of those killed in the school shooting called for an apology from the gun enthusiast. 'There’s nothing ‘convenient’ about 26 lives being gunned down in an elementary school,' one relative said.

    The remark came while Dicker was discussing Gov. Cuomo’s State of the State address with political satirist Randy Credico. The subject turned to the governor’s SAFE Act gun-control legislation, passed in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting.
    “That was his anti-gun legislation, which he had promised not to do, but then he had a little convenient massacre that went on in Newtown, Conn., and all of a sudden there was an opportunity for him,” Dicker said.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2qMjQ4Ep6
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