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    Seeing there's an "ocean of possible interpretations" here, which bears an ocean of discussion (and as there are only so many hours in a day), I'm going to bed .. and bid you all a goodnight.

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    Θα έλεγα ότι μια δήλωση ή άποψη "σηκώνει πολύ νερό" όταν υπάρχουν σοβαροί λόγοι να μην παρθεί τοις μετρητοίς αλλά να σχετικοποιηθεί, όταν δηλαδή υπάρχουν αμφιβολίες ή αβεβαιότητες που υποσκάπτουν την απόλυτη ισχύ της. So this expression does not invalidate the original statement or opinion but warns that it should not be taken at face value.
    Aπ' ό,τι κάλλη έχει άνθρωπος, τα λόγια έχουν τη χάρη / να κάμουσι κάθε καρδιά παρηγοριά να πάρη
    κι οπού κατέχει να μιλεί με γνώση και με τρόπο / κάνει και κλαίσι και γελούν τα μάτια των ανθρώπω.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    Θα έλεγα ότι μια δήλωση ή άποψη "σηκώνει πολύ νερό" όταν υπάρχουν σοβαροί λόγοι να μην παρθεί τοις μετρητοίς αλλά να σχετικοποιηθεί, όταν δηλαδή υπάρχουν αμφιβολίες ή αβεβαιότητες που υποσκάπτουν την απόλυτη ισχύ της. So this expression does not invalidate the original statement or opinion but warns that it should not be taken at face value.
    Καλή εξήγηση, Θεμη.
    Open-ended?
    An open-ended statement/opinion/question, etc?

    Μια δήλωση/άποψη "σηκώνει πολύ νερό" when it "is open-ended"?

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    Η έννοια έχει πλήρως εξηγηθεί σε αυτό το νήμα, αλλά το αγγλικό αντίστοιχο παραμένει an open-ended question. Το open-ended νομίζω ότι στις περισσότερες περιπτώσεις θα ταίριαζε μόνο αν το έλεγε ο ίδιος που εκφράζει το statement/opinion/question, και όχι ένας συνομιλητής που αμφισβητεί. Μια γενικότερης ισχύος αντιστοίχιση ίσως θα ήταν το there are many ifs and buts.
    Aπ' ό,τι κάλλη έχει άνθρωπος, τα λόγια έχουν τη χάρη / να κάμουσι κάθε καρδιά παρηγοριά να πάρη
    κι οπού κατέχει να μιλεί με γνώση και με τρόπο / κάνει και κλαίσι και γελούν τα μάτια των ανθρώπω.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    Μια γενικότερης ισχύος αντιστοίχιση ίσως θα ήταν το there are many ifs and buts.

    Why not just "iffy" or "up in the air", then? air/water - what's the difference?


    The statement is iffy = the statement is "up in the air " = η δήλωση σηκώνει πολύ νερό?

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    No idiomatic flavour but: that statement is debatable / arguable / disputable / questionable / dubious.

    It may hold water, but then again it may not.
    Θεωρητικά, θεωρία και πράξη είναι το ίδιο πράγμα. Στην πράξη, όμως, διαφέρουν.
    When this you see, remember me and bear me in your mind, let all the world say what they may, speak of me as you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daeman View Post
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    No idiomatic flavour but: that statement is debatable / arguable / disputable / questionable / dubious.

    It may hold water, but then again it may not.
    A fishy statement (on the other hand) may hold no water, but at least it can swim in it (even if it's dead in the water).

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    Maybe not exactly fishy, but like, you know, someone no matter if they've done it knowingly or not has muddied the waters (hi, daeman ) and the whole thing depends on how you see it, το πράγμα, δηλαδή, σηκώνει πολύ νερό.




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    Spoiler: 
    The leaves fell off as I did,
    I guess it held some kind of meaning.
    I've been lying in this bed of nails,
    That let the wind out of my sails.
    She left me on the bridge she's burning;
    Hell, maybe I deserve it.
    I'm just trying to find my purpose,
    I hope that it's all worth it.

    There will come a time,
    When you will face your life,
    Don't let it twist and tear you up inside

    The world's a fucked up place,
    but it depends on how you see it
    Life is full of change,
    you grow up and then you feel it.
    But smooth seas don't make good sailors,
    Jump ship and head for failure,
    Find yourself a tragedy,
    Slowly lose your sanity.

    I'll be alright, your bark was worse than your bite.
    Left a scar that faded with time,
    Echoed out to the back of my mind.
    There will come a time,
    When you will face your life,
    Don't let it twist and tear you up inside

    The world's a fucked up place,
    but it depends on how you see it
    Life is full of change,
    you grow up and then you feel it.
    But smooth seas don't make good sailors,
    Jump ship and head for failure,
    Find yourself a tragedy,
    Slowly lose your sanity.
    I've been walking round in circles,
    cursed every corner of this town,
    Will I make it out?
    If I do then it's a godsend.
    I caught a bullet in-between my teeth
    Could this finally be the end?

    There will come a time,
    When you will face your life,
    Don't let it twist and tear you up inside

    The world's a fucked up place,
    but it depends on how you see it
    Life is full of change,
    you grow up and then you feel it.
    But smooth seas don't make good sailors,
    Jump ship and head for failure,
    Find yourself a tragedy,
    Slowly lose your sanity.


    I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell - you see, I have friends in both places.

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